What do the other boxes on that page with Yasu in it say? I mean, besides that period thing.
Top middle panel with young Shannon blushing at young Battler just has her saying: “Blonde and bouncy…” and Battler saying “Yep yep”)
Top right with Battler holding his hand out has Yasu saying “My being an illegitimate child has to be a lie”
Lower left with Battler grinning is just him reciting the pony promise.
angry possessive battler best battler
What would be Battler's reaction to his waifu praising Willard's mad deducting skills?
So at the end of Umineko, do you think everyone went to Golden Land? Are they able to go to the Witch's senate and heaven? Does Yasu live her life through her three separate personalities?
In the meta-sense, sure…? The Witch’s Senate and Heaven seem to be something a little different different from Yasu’s Golden Land exactly (even if they’re still meta-conceits and their presentation seems informed by some of Yasu’s ideas). I’d like to think Yasu is left to “exist” in her catbox as Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice, as she wanted, and can enjoy those fantasies while she sleeps peacefully as portrayed in EP7 knowing someone was able to understand her heart.
that’s how i think of it when i’m being optimistic otherwise i get really upset why don’t you shut your mouth for two seconds willard
There's a manga called Pandora Hearts which has some characters I find very similar to Yasu. It's ongoing and is less than 100 chapters. I totally recommend that you read it. It has some mystery but I love it for its unique characters whose depth are revealed later.
I’ve seen it pop up before on my dash, and it looks pretty interesting! It will probably go on my list after Vinland Saga and a few others…
Do you think at times Yasu is actually rather selfish?
In what sense and at what times to do you mean by selfish? I’m pretty sure I’ve talked at length before about how Yasu’s decision for the roulette and to aim for the Golden Land was, pretty obviously, a terrible and selfish decision, and she knew it. Obviously, she was overwriting the wishes and lives of the other people on the island in order to bring them with her to the place that she was convinced that was the closest she could ever be to being happy.
However, part of the reason I’m still sympathetic to Yasu in being brought to that point is that I see her as a person who was emotionally and psychologically pushed to the breaking point - because she otherwise lacked a pattern of what I would consider “selfishness” in her life. Yasu is someone who is characterized as being self-absorbed in a lot of ways, but in ways I think are very strange to sort of point the finger at and go “selfish!!!” when you consider the way she was brought up, her age and her sheer isolation, and the way she channeled those thoughts she dedicated to supporting herself (figuring out what kind of person she wanted to be, trying to deal with being bullied and abandoned.)
But at the same time, she’s the person who played along with Kinzo’s atonement at the time because even if she didn’t understand, she hoped it would ease his obvious pain, and the person who refused to accept her inheritance because she hated the thought of hurting Krauss and Natsuhi.
Yes, Yasu wanted to be loved and she wanted to be happy. She was seriously hurt to the point of being willing to commit suicide at the end of her life, and wanted someone to help her. But it is very very strange to me (to the point of going beyond “strange” and more into “lineface”) to put forth those feelings as “selfish” - to me, I think it’s more the actions you take based feelings like that, feelings that almost everyone would have, that might push you over to that accusation, like Rosa’s decisions to abandon Maria for days at a time to enjoy herself on vacation with boyfriends.
So in that case, while there are a myriad of faults I would ascribe to Yasu - she’s spiteful, she’s vindictive, she’s passive, and, yes, self-absorbed! - but “being selfish” isn’t exactly one that I would immediately come up with on my own, I would say…?
Am I the only one to find that Rosa's "Sakutaro is dead." sounds much more horrible in Japanese? "Sakutaro wa shindeshimaimashita" sounds not so much like "He's dead OK? Forget about it!" and more like "Oh, too bad, Sakutaro is dead… u mad?" That's almost Bern-level in nastiness, seriously…
There’s definitely a calculated element in Rosa’s abuse, which is probably one of the most repulsive elements to me? yumetabibito and I were discussing after we’d both finished rereading the chapter - basically, I brought up how it had sort of blown my mind at the first read through that nothing had happened to help Maria even after the scene with the social worker witnessing Rosa’s explosion, but I didn’t really feel like I was qualified to state whether that was realistic or unrealistic - and yumetabibito pointed out again, like in her readthrough, that even as much as she was “losing it” Rosa was very very careful in that scene to not actually hit Maria physically. (It also kind of makes you wonder about Ryukishi’s social worker experience - although he did apologize for painting them in such a useless light back in Higurashi, haha!)
And Rosa did go out of her way to make Maria reaffirm that she loved the bunnies and they were her friends before smashing one in front of her, so.
It’s not like Rosa is a manipulative mastermind, exactly - I think her bouts of guilt and spoiling Maria as a result (that overall contribute to the problem) are genuine, but the first and foremost issue in Rosa’s mind is always avoiding being shamed by other people, even in scenes like that. So you can’t even really apply the excuse of “she’s so unstable and so angry that she just lost her mind!” It’s pretty sad - and makes me feel all the more sad about the girl who was strong and brave enough to feel compassion for Kuwadorian Beatrice and try to help her.
I took your advice, but now he's only shipping them even harder!
i really can’t come up with a clever response to this that is in any way remotely appropriate so instead i will slightly shift the topic and say
i think it would have been really neat to have gotten more details on the memories kanon had of kinzo; we get a few glimpses of kinzo doting on him in the early episodes, but kinzo roping kanon in with helping him with goofy pranks? kinzo taking kanon out to show him how to shoot guns? show me more juicy details of kinzo slowly realizing/suspecting where lion had gone and who he was and trying to reconnect with his son, ryukishi, do it
This reminds me that I was sort of thrown for a loop by those Kanon/Kinzo scenes while writing the Yasu outline, because I think it’s generally accepted that Yasu didn’t start acting as Kanon until after Kinzo’s death (and I really can’t see why or how she would have done so beforehand).
I think I basically settled on the idea that she must have actually been presenting herself as Shannon at those times, and was looking back at those memories through Kanon’s eyes. Since she’s now able to see things that she couldn’t see at the time - that Kinzo was treating her in those unusual ways because he suspected that she might be his son - she reframes those memories as Kanon’s so that she can re-examine those scenes the way Kinzo must have seen them; as a father-son sort of interaction.
Still, that part in EP1 where Kanon says “Because I’m furniture” to Kinzo has always bothered me slightly since the game generally makes a point of Yasu not saying things like that until after she solves the epitaph, though I also think it is perfectly possible for her to have picked up the term from Genji and used it before she assigned her own personal meaning to it. I’d be interested in hearing any alternative interpretations.
Either way the main point is that Kanon and Kinzo’s interactions are as adorable as anything and it’s sad that Genji’s attempts to redeem Kinzo didn’t involve more of an effort to have Kinzo act like a father to Yasu rather than dressing her up like her mother to make him feel better about things.
It’s interesting that you bring this problem up! One of the things that I do wish we had gotten more details about how Kanon was actually concretely incorporated onto the island; we see the moment when “Shannon” prepares to meet with him in Yasu’s head, and in Kanon’s flashbacks we see the moment that he met Jessica, but a lot of the logistics are just a huge blank space. So I think it’s one of those areas that are widely up for interpretation on how you want to reason it out for yourself, because it’s sort of tricky.
Is that actually what the dialogue says? She's upset about not getting her period?
Yes, basically. The upper left panel with Shannon/Yasu in the bathroom is literally: “The other girls have already gotten their first period, and yet…”
Do you think Frederica Bernkastel and Bern are one and the same? Frederica as she appears in the Minagoroshi manga is quite different from Bern in appearance and character, but in the PS3 version Erika's duct tape seals have "Frederica Bernkastel" written on them, so, err…
yep! ryukishi has confirmed they’re the same character on a couple different occasions, too!
tbh i think people tend to overstate the differences between bernkastel in higurashi and bernkastel in umineko - higurashi bernkastel was also callous, indifferent, often intimidating and creepy, and drew entertainment from the idea of “playing” with her friends as pieces, so really now
akatokuro-sempai notice me u n u
u r… noticed…
what pokemon do you play??
pokemon x! it is pretty tough coming up with nicknames for every single pokemon i catch tbh
pokemon amie is dangerous as fuck i didn’t really care for my starter and was planning on putting it in reserves but theN… IT SEEMED TO LIKE ME SO MUCH… I CANT…….
Umineko no naku koro ni EP8 Twilight of the golden witch manga pv NEW
Oh man, Yasu upset and wondering why she isn’t getting her first period…